Speaking of collective action, is action in itself something that counteracts uncertainty? Do you feel less uncertain when you do something?
Yes. We are active beings who learn about the world through action from an early age. And in doing so, we create our own frames of reference, through which we look as if through glasses to understand how the world is structured and how we need to act in order to get along in it. When I do something, I experience that I have an effect. Then I can check whether that is the effect I was aiming for and make adjustments. This allows me to reduce uncertainty. It is a way of moving from powerlessness to active searching, trying and experimenting, and it is definitely a strategy that helps us.
What role does interaction with other people play? In connection with terrorism, for example, we often hear that people become radicalised in the solitude of the internet. Does loneliness perhaps set in a spiral of uncertainty and fear, and would community be a kind of universal remedy?
Yes. The German government's report on loneliness and studies, for example by the Institute for Social Cohesion, suggest that there is a link between loneliness and anti-democratic attitudes.
When you ask people what gives them orientation and stability, they often say it is living in a community. This does not have to be a traditional family; it can also be a shared flat or other forms of relationships. We live in relationships that give us orientation and stability in our everyday lives.
No insurance can compensate for this kind of quality of life. We cannot buy it either, but we can shape it together. All of this strengthens our feeling that we have resources to deal with uncertainty. We can strive to create such a culture. It does not eliminate uncertainty – which is ultimately impossible to eliminate – but we can always decide for ourselves how we treat each other. How we support each other, how openly we view each other and how respectfully we treat each other – that is definitely within our sphere of influence.
We have now touched on many approaches to how a sense of security can perhaps or probably be strengthened. Which of these approaches are particularly important? Are they the material aspects represented by insurance, for example, or are they emotional aspects on a very individual level, or are they social aspects such as integration? Can this be weighted in some way? Where do we start when we as a society are at a loss and feel insecure?
On the material aspects: our pursuit of prosperity is also a way of absorbing uncertainty. But when we look around, we paradoxically find that the feeling of uncertainty has not decreased in affluent societies. Rather, we fear losing our material resources again.
Of course, prosperity is a resource: when we experience these hot days and one person is privileged, lives in an insulated house and has the opportunity to take a cool shower, then that is naturally a resource that can contribute to resilience. In this respect, I do not wish to deny the importance of these material resources. In this context, I would like to emphasise how important a more socially equitable distribution of material resources is; important for the political agenda and at the same time for our daily experience.
Social and emotional connectedness seems to me to be particularly crucial as a coping strategy for dealing with uncertainty. The opportunity to participate – in family, clubs, school, the workplace, the neighbourhood, etc. It's about opportunities for participation in places where we can collectively cope with uncertainty; where we can consider: What is important to us here and now? If we then come to decisions and make wise use of material resources, then, in the best case scenario, the material and the social interlock.
Thank you very much!
Interview: Thorsten Kleinschmidt